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How misinformed is the American Public?

In a 5-4 vote, the U.S. Supreme Court declared for the first time that the Second Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the right of individual Americans to keep and bear arms. The court said gun ownership is an individual right, not connected with military service, and that it can be regulated in some ways.

The odds of the Roberts Court overturning itself are about the same as the Cubs ever winning a World Series. President Obama will likely get only two picks in his first term. Those would be replacing Stevens and Ginsburg, both Liberals. It won't change the make up of the court.

The Associated Press reports a boom in gun sales in reaction to Barack Obama's victory. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gHIVt7MERGIbR6SEMaTMPoeCiuiwD94AGFIO0.

It seems that there is a fear that his election will result in new tough gun laws. He doesn't have the authority.

This is not posted to illicit a debate on Gun Control. I know the opinions of most of this forum disagree with me on this topic. I admit I fit the description that Woody Allen stated in Annie Hall "... New York, Jewish, left-wing, liberal, intellectual, Central Park West, Brandeis University, the socialist summer camps and the, the father with the Ben Shahn drawings, right, and the really, y'know, strike-oriented kind of, red diaper..." I wish that he could limit the sale, but he can't.

So why are these mental titans purchasing guns at record levels? In this bad of an economy, can't these people find something better to do with their fungible cash? Or is this really a necessity of life? Help me out here, I don't understand the thought pattern.

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cathy_edgett
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:02 pm (UTC)
Fear. It is about fear.

Have you read Cormac McCarthy's book The Road?

Many people live at that level of fear, that the end is near, and the only thing that will save them and their family is a gun.
jellomarx
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:05 pm (UTC)
The only gun that I've ever owned shot water.

I love reading, unfortunely, lately I just fall asleep. I have to start again.
cathy_edgett
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:16 pm (UTC)
I warn you that it is a very difficult book to read.
jellomarx
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:21 pm (UTC)
The pills that I take for Parkinson's knock me out. I'm going to try, maybe tonight.
cathy_edgett
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:27 pm (UTC)
I didn't know you had Parkinson's. It is a rough book. I suggest you let it go and find something a little lighter to read.

You might check out Oliver Sack's book Musicophilia. I believe he addresses the use of music in soothing symptoms of Parkinson's.

My friend who has Parkinson's started a drumming circle and that has been helpful for her and others. Drumming is a helpful way to go, no matter what.
jellomarx
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:34 pm (UTC)
My uncle just told me about the book.

I've had it for about 3 years. It's still in the beginning stages. It just causes me to move slower and write very sloppily. I compensate. It may never get worse.
cathy_edgett
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:44 pm (UTC)
I'm glad it may never get worse!!

I know that treatment works really well, so if you are on medication, all should be well, and it is fun to drum sometimes. :)
jellomarx
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:47 pm (UTC)
I can't keep a beat. Years ago my friends set me up on a blind date. We went to a Peter, Paul and Mary concert. The girl was warned, by my friends, that in order for me to clap along I would have to watch her hands.
cathy_edgett
Nov. 9th, 2008 04:34 am (UTC)
Maybe you are too creative to repeat the same beat. Each moment for you is your own new song.


I love Peter, Paul and Mary.
cathy_edgett
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:22 pm (UTC)
I do enjoy a good water gun fight on a hot day. :)
cathy_edgett
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:15 pm (UTC)
Did you mean to say that most of this forum will disagree with you on this topic? I wonder about that. I don't understand this need to own a gun, but I live in a safe area, and do not currently fear anyone taking away my rights. Perhaps I am naive, but I think it would take a great deal for me to be able to use a gun against another human being. I can't even catch a fish, but I do eat them, so I understand the hypocrisy on my part. Perhaps I've never been hungry enough.

There is a high level of fear in this country right now. The ownership of a gun seems to allow some to feel safe. That guns are often mistakenly used on those the gun owner knows seems not to enter into the argument. Again, I don't understand though I also lean to know.

I know those who hunt and eat what they catch and that makes sense to me if one is an eater of meat. I do not understand the need to own an assault weapon, or something to use against a perceived possible intrusion. Again, perhaps I am naive.

I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for. I don't see a gun as a necessity of life for most of us. Perhaps if one lives where bears knock on the door, there might be a need of it, but I doubt you have that in NY nor do I in Mill Valley.

Twice I have seen a mountain lion while out alone. The first time the lion ran from me. The second time it was enjoying the sunset as was I. I may have walked a little more quickly but that was it. If I had been carrying a gun, would the situation have been different? Absolutely. Animals smell fear and respond, but teaching people not to fear is a huge trick. Again, a gun in our society is not a necessity of life.

People carry guns in Oakland and look at the death rate there. Tragic. Safety comes from within. Again, how do we teach that to our children? You know. I know. Many do not.
jellomarx
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:19 pm (UTC)
No, most who read my blog will likely agree. This is a cross post with politicsforum. They can be nuts.
cathy_edgett
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:28 pm (UTC)
Ah, I see. I wondered. :)
jellomarx
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:31 pm (UTC)
I post there because every so often I get into a great conversation. Last night it was with a bright and thoughtful college kid about Obama's tax plan. But most of the time it's name calling.
cathy_edgett
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:37 pm (UTC)
Great for you!! It makes more sense to engage in conversation with those with whom we disagree if it can stay at a rational and respectful level.

Here we often preach to the choir which is certainly easier and great fun, and I think it is important to interact, if possible, with those for whom there is a possibility of real exchange and change.

I can understand that young people may feel they are taking on quite a burden with social reform when there are so many baby boomers, and yet, it seems they were heavily in support of Obama, so maybe they do understand the need to "spread the wealth," for the benefit of us all.
jellomarx
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:44 pm (UTC)
There are some young lawyers and law students who post there. I love the passion for the law that they have. I'm 26 years out of law school. I had lost some of the passion.
cathy_edgett
Nov. 9th, 2008 04:37 am (UTC)
Perhaps as we mature, wisdom replaces passion. It is a balance for sure. It is good that you stay involved with and enjoy the young lawyers and students. I think it is to honor and stay involved with the different stages as much as is possible.
lux_angelis
Nov. 9th, 2008 07:35 am (UTC)
Yeah they really can. Do you think Clamsman finally went away?
jellomarx
Nov. 9th, 2008 12:28 pm (UTC)
I haven't seen him recently. But there are worse. I was calledby an ethnic slur today. It is true that I called him paranoid first.
bluedressdevil
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:35 pm (UTC)
As a fellow attorney, I feel what you are getting at with this post I think.

I just had a discussion with our law clerk yesterday. He was frustrated that some of his non-law school friends didn't understand certain basic concepts of the law in relation to another political hot button issue (gay marriage).

I don't non-attorneys are stupid or unable to grasp these concepts of the law but that lawyers and law grads have been nerds who spent three years having the law drilled into us. I think it would do everyone a lot of good if public education required everyone to take a basic con law class. Then we people who get the power of the president versus the supreme court etc.

As for guns...well since they don't understand how the law works they fear if they don't buy guns now well we might not be able to in the future and some people already have guns and if we don't we lose. Kind of like the arms build of the cold war era. If I have more guns then no one will attack me.
jellomarx
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:39 pm (UTC)
You make a good point. My wife always tells me that I assume non-lawyers have the background that I have. It is a little egocentric of me.
cathy_edgett
Nov. 8th, 2008 09:40 pm (UTC)
I see now that you are looking at it from a legal and constitutional standpoint. I agree that a basic law class, a lesson in logic and complex thought, would be helpful for us all.
lux_angelis
Nov. 9th, 2008 07:39 am (UTC)
On the bright side, at least there won't be 2 more conservatives on the bench. And he might get to appoint 3 :)

Either way, I think it's stupid for people to stockpile their homes with guns. I quote Eddie Izzard, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people. But I think the gun helps. You'd have to be really dodgy on the heart...BANG! BOOM BANG! BOOM! RATATAT! BANG!"
Also, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people. And monkeys do too, IF they have a gun."

I wonder how many people who have guns actually ever use them for self-defense. How many people are saved every year because they had a gun with them. I know a lot of accidents happen, but you never hear "Women protected self from rape by shooting attacker!"
jellomarx
Nov. 9th, 2008 12:30 pm (UTC)
There are many people who are killed trying to use them in self defense. Many children are killed just being curious about them.
lux_angelis
Nov. 9th, 2008 06:53 pm (UTC)
If people buy them I think they should have to learn how to use them. And that's not a one time thing. If you buy a rifle you have to prove you can use it. If you buy a pistol, same deal. If you buy some other kind of gun, another class for you. People being stupid and not realizing a shotgun is going to kick back more than a .22 is another reason guns are such a problem. I'm not against them, I don't particularly care one way or other, but there have to be provisions for safety, accountability, and knowledge. You can't drive a car without proving you can, why should you be able to have something just as dangerous lying around your home?
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